Flying Nun fans have probably never drunk craft beer. Huh? This sounds like a comment from someone who doesn’t really know Flying Nun fans.
1) The download page has a huge blank area between the title and the link to the document, making it look initially as if it is a blank page. (viewed with Firefox 8 on a 1280×800 screen)
2) Where are the previous editions located?
The huge blank area between the title and the download link is where the PDF of the PoH will show in a google docs viewer, you have to wait for it to download before it shows though. Because the file is 5M it takes a while to download.
We haven’t added the old editions yet.
That sounds like a great idea Rob! Let’s catch up for a beer to discuss 🙂
I just came back to the States from a 3 week trip to NZ. I was able to pick up a paper copy of this newsletter while traveling. I wanted to let you know the article on the history and styles of Pale Ales was great. It is so nice to see people doing actual historical research on a beer type instead of basing it off of what another brewer calls it. I especially like the few paragraphs showing how IPA’s weren’t traditionally supposed to be 8+% ABV and insanely hopped. Good article, good newsletter!
Looks like a big beer, and a good night!
How often are you going to do these?
Can’t remember when I first heard of growler for a beer vessel but it was long ago.
Galbraiths has sold growlers for _ages_. For at least the past 3-4 years.
I absolutely have heard of a “growler” as a generic term used to mean a takeaway /fill your own container for beer. The “growler” I’m most familiar with is a plastic (PET) screw cap brown bottle, most commonly 1.25l to 2l in size. Glass is still predominantly used in brewpubs in the USA.
For goodness sake, I’m drinking beer from a growler right now. Not again IPONZ, please…
I heard about it years ago, commonly known term in the US and used in NZ a lot
Being a long time follower of the beer culture in America of course I know what a Growler is. In fact I had a collection of several of them that unfortunately could not make the move to NZ with me. Wish I had them now, especially if they were still full of the great beers i purchased them with.
If you wan to get the message to the top maybe check out companies house and maybe contact the 2 directors to voice your displeasure.
Last time I looked, the trademark application was “under consideration”, NOT “accepted”. For the time being, I believe, the only culprit here is Hancocks, not IPONZ.
Yep, I know of it.
There’s a good article (written in 2002) on the term’s long history on Beeradvocate.
I’ve been using the term Growler in relation to beer for at least 4 years now. We’ve used the term in advertisements at Hashigo Zake as well.
I have been familiar with the term ‘growler’ since the early 90s. I’m pretty sure I was first made aware of the term by “All About Beer”, a US-based magazine to which I used to subscribe, but I also have beer-loving family in the US, so it may have come from them.
I too am familiar with the term ‘growler’ for beer vessel….
I am standing in Seattle and am (randomly) about 20 meters from a brewery that advertises growlers.
Of course I am familiar with the term. Being from the states, it was common to use this term for take-away containers. In the past couple years, several places in NZ have used the term as well. I assumed everyone knew the term.
It appears Wikipedia knows about it and provides insight to the naming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_bottle#Growler
Just check out almost any beer forum on the internet and you will find the term growler mentioned, but I’m sure that years of prior, worldwide, public domain use won’t matter to IPONZ or even enter into their equation.
I can’t believe IPONZ is still behaving badly, even after the Radler and Vintage stuff-ups – Someone in their office needs a good spanking! As for Hancocks – Well we all know where their allegiances lie(on). Lobby your MP’s re IPONZ, please.
Heard of the term years ago. always an eyebrow raiser here in nz…
This seems to trace the “growler” back to the 18th century
You can email Hancocks too [email protected]
I was only aware of the use of “Growler” as a beer vessel after an amusing conversation with some friends from Alaska.
They were more embarassed than I was.
I’m totally channeling “Bevis” right now…. But yes I’ve known the term Growler refers to a pubpet for years now. American cultural norms are more all pervading than the Germans ones I guess.
I heard about growlers when I first came to NZ about 8 years ago.
Been aware of this use of the word “Growler” for two years now, but don’t use it myself. My cultural heritage is the word “flagon”. 😉
Infact, I have a Growler of Rogue beer at home that I got from Beerstore.co.nz
I was aware of the Growler term but always preferred the use of Flagon.
Doesn’t mean I don’t want it taken away from the vernacular like Radler has been stolen…
I first heard the term “growler” more than 20 years ago and only since moving to New Zealand learned of the local synonym of “rigger”. I use both interchangeably.
Here is a photo of the first growler I bought in 1993: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ambientspace/tags/growler/
I also use the word growler on my web site.
Why not send an email to Hancock’s and tell them what you think about this? Or why not stop buying from them?
This term has been in common use, at least in the US, Canada and UK for many years. In the US it refers to a half-gallon refillable bottle, in Canada and UK generally around 2L. To allow a single firm in NZ to claim ownership of what is clearly a generic term undermines the very purpose of trade-marks: to protect original product designations for the benefit of those who have invested time, money, and other resources into building a brand.
I like the word growler because of its amusing double connotations and have been aware that it is used as a term to describe a fill your own vessel that is sort of similar to a half gallon jar.
My friend Adam did a far north of America trip last year, he made many growler jokes like , “can you fill my Growler” or ” my growler is hungry”. The staff just looked at him like he was a stupid skinny longhair and asked if he wanted some beer.
You mean Homebrew Tasting? I run this every 2 months at Hashigo Zake. Next one is on 2nd Sunday in March. I usually post it on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wellington-Homebrew-Tasting/153593614688475
Growler is a common term. I brought back a beautiful glass Growler from San francisco. A little pub called The Magnolia Bar sells Growlers. hancocks can not or should not be able to obtain the rights to this common term.
As the manager of Sunshine Brewery, Gisborne, I can assure you that the term ‘Growler’ is well-known to me and several of our clients, as are the terms’Flagon’ and ‘Rigger’.
We have been considering purchasing and using Growlers for quite some time.
P.S. No-one can own the word ‘Car’, can they? (No different).
Geoff Logan says “lie (on)” referring to Hancocks’s loyalty – ummm – maybe he needs to do better research. Hancocks are the only NZ owned company in the top end in this field. Yes – companies should not trademark commonly used names (Radler is an offensive example) and I am sure Glengarrys (they are the retail stores – Hancock’s is a distributor) are just trying to get one over the big boys (those overseas owned companies). When did a family owned and operated company like Hancock’s or Glengarrys become a evil corporate giant?
What? Growler is absolutely common use. Bizarre.
I’ve been filling and emptying growlers for about as long as I’ve been legally drinking, over 20 years. Growler, rigger, flagon, all common and interchangable.
Grrrrrrr…. this makes me want to growl! I have been hearing my dad refer to refillable beer bottles as growlers, riggers and flagons since i was about 5… at least 21 years. I also have a number of friends in the USA and Canada who will often tell me what their growler fill was this week. Cmon IPONZ. Shame on you Hancocks.
I, too, am familiar with the use of “growler” in this way. In fact, I have four or five empty growlers in my basement, awaiting refill.
I have been familiar with, and have purchased beer in Growlers for at least 15 years.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s a standard measure for a takeaway container of beer, and used in the same context as Pint, Litre or barrel.
If Growler is up for being trademarked, have applications for Flagon & Rigger been submitted also? (Heavy does of sarcasm applies).
That’s going to be pretty awesome when complete! How do we get it complete?
This is unbelievable. I was all for blaming IPONZ but I’m starting to change my tune.
DB the faceless corporate I can sort of understand, but Stoke? How can you McCashins sleep at night? It’s inexcusable, unnecessary, unjustifiable.
Boo to yourselves, a pox on your family.
“Growler” is a common term describing a jug used to hold beer.
I own several growlers and use them as delivery vessels for my home brew. I believe they even have the word “Growler” etched on them.
Barney, Barney, Barney….who in NZ was using this name “Bomber”? Stoke (and the McCashins) are are small company trying to champion Craft Beer and all that goes with it within NZ, so if they see a name suits their product to a T (Veľká plavidla pivo for example) and launch that, then want to protect it from the Faceless Corporates who would no doubt copy it in a second – why can’t they?
I am very disapointed to be reading this. I have been a big supporter of McCashins, Emma is inspirational in her drive to promote craft brewing and their business. This however is deplorable. Stepping up and trademarking a name like bomber is an insult. I am an ex-pat American, and I have been drinking bombers for years. They have now ruined it for any other american brewer, who would like to fondly refer to their product and packaging, and set themselves apart from the packs. Bomber and growlers are to the US as riggers are to NZ. Trademarking it in an attempt to corner a legal market and have the ability to sue another party from using it is bullsh*t. Trademark a name and a brand not a type of package. Gene Simmons of KISS is buying up the Trademark rights to as many household names as he can, so he can sue people for money, or sell them the right to use it. That kind of thinking is what is undermining freedom of speach and our personal creativity. Shame on them all.
Came across your craft beer in Uraguay article while researching for a college business project in which my group has to come up with a business plan for a new brewery to be opened in Uruguay. As a huge craft beer fan and homebrewer myself, I found your visit to be quite intriguing…who would have thought of good craft beer in South America?! Your write gives a lot of good numbers as far market share and the like. Thanks for the info/entertainment.
This video is well worth a watch to help understand how the copyright laws evolved and corrupted
I live in Napier, according to the Rules of the competition this will preclude me from entering – is this correct?
Great to the ladies rising to the SOBA challenge!! More strength to your elbow, Patricia.
wow, fascinating video. thanks for sharing.
If you have a login to the IPONZ website you can subscribe to updates on Trade Marks. Setup your login – you can logon as an individual, and then on your IPONZ inbox you will see a navigation menu on the left. Go to My Subscriptions
Click to add a goods and services subscription. Search for the word Beer and then select all the terms it brings back. Choose how frequently you want the updates and submit.
From then on, any time someone submits a trade mark application which covers beer you will get notified. Watching all IP applications is therefore not hard at all.
Welcome from the joint co-ordinators for Nelson.
We are hoping to set up a network forum of co-ordinators to further the cause, share information and ultimately co-ordinate a day of Beer Festivals in all the regions.
Yes, this is correct – due to the hands-on, collaborative nature of this project, it made sense to limit this competition to local Wellingtonians. The final 4 x winners of the competition will need to be in Wellington for the judging event, as well as the week ensuing to refine the beers with the breweries, so it made practical sense to make the competition open to those to can be here for that period.
Thanks for your interest from afar though!
We are definitely having some fun with this project, check out the beer we are brewing in an Adshel in Manners Mall: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/6731883/Brewing-display-on-Manners-St
Clemenger’s Wellington in a Pint
I’m torn on this, between the ideal, and real life.
Ideally IPONZ and the likes wouldn’t issue trademarks on silly things such as beer styles and bottle sizes. Realistically, they do.
If Stoke didn’t, would an big brewery? Would they then prevent craft brewers from using it? What if this happened after Stoke or others were using the name Bomber a la radler?
It’s a touchy issue but it’s not Stoke’s fault that the trademark laws are in the state they are.
I have 5 crates of large beer bottles. Can anyone make use of them.
That would be perfect for my homebrewing! Do you do any yourself?
Advertise guided tours of the craft trail at backpacker hostels and similar places. Knowledgable SOBA members can lead the tour and explain the local scene, backgrounds on the beers and educate travellers about the best brews in NZ.
Tours can be free with a ‘shout your guide a beer’ recommendation and a free feed provided to the guide by the bar you stop for lunch/dinner at.
Similar idea to a guided wine trail really but in a nice compact city 😉
Can you please send me some info on the course,I’d like to do the course in Auckland .
For more information please see http://www.costanzobrewing.com/home-brewing-courses
Great website.. if it stays updated. very helpful for those looking for a specific drop
Thanks Greig, another good job,thanks.
Well said Rob!! All the best for the new committee.
Hello, can everyone advise a good caravan park to stay at on the gold coast?
Two bits of good news indeed!
And I love the “we were unaware” defence. DB, of course, plead the same ignorance about Hallertau’s “porter noir”. Neither brewery seems embarrassed by the disconnection from the craft beer scene that kind of “being unaware” implies.
Also, do I need to start a collection fund to buy these guys access to *Google*? It seems like it’d save a lot of headaches.
To clarify something here: Lion Nathan’s lawyers never indicated to me whether they were aware of existing uses of the name Blind Pig or not. All they said was that in the time between the application for the trademark and its registration they decided they no longer needed it.
Good work SOBA just another reason for membership
What a shame. The new owners think that Beer is spelt with either an L or D as the first letter. Hopefully they will get an Emerson beer or two before too long.
Hey this is awesome Andrew!
Hi there, is the judging venue open to the public/entrants? What is the timing of the day? – i.e. when’s the best time to come? Thanks.
Hi there, quick question (thinking ahead to 2017 comp) – Can I use vanilla beans in an Imperial Stout and still be within the BCJP guidelines? Or does it put the beer into another catagory?
The best advice we can give is to try the beer and have the BJCP guidelines handy. If it smells and tastes like it falls within the description given for an imperial stout then enter it in that. Otherwise pop it into another category.
Trying to view on facebook and the damn system will not drop the demand to log onto facebook when all I want to do is view as a visitor because I dont want facebook, LOSE IT. I just about gave up and did not bother researching, damn faccebook blackmail to get you to sign up!!!
Sorry to hear you’re having problems with Facebook. The Auckland Beer Week programme is available on our website at auckland.beer/week
We will be keeping the programme up-to-date so you won’t miss any changes (if applicable) to the programme.
What is so wrong with the moniker of ‘craft’ as an indicator of good, quality beer? Possibly the word is over used, but in its essence it conveys somthing if honesty and passion about the product its attached. Would i not rather a beer knowing it was ‘crafted’ than ‘indepedent’? What does indepedent mean? Who in this world is actually ‘independen’? 98% of us (excluding Lotto winners) are keeping somebody else sweet. As a homebrewer i make home crafted beer, i’d like to think that in my igrediant choices and styles prefereneces i’m not disimilar from the likes of Tiamana….Craftwerk…NorthEnd….Yeastie Boys….GP….Tuatara and volumtrically upwards. These are craft beer. I want to make my beer to aspire to theirs….because its their craft.
Ive just been talking to a fella and we reckon Masterton is a lacking of what you have done. Any chance of a catch up to discuss further?
We can come to you……..
If you’re interested in becoming a Regional Coordinator please email [email protected]. Alternatively if you want to get in touch with the folks in Palmerston North you can contact them at [email protected]
Sorry you had a bad time. I wasn’t there this year, so can’t really comment.
If the “diacetyl-heavy ales” are from the award winning brewery I think they’re from (You’re due a diacetyl), then the brewer would tell you that “they’re supposed to taste like that”. However, if you can get them for a pub where they have been festering in the cellar for three weeks or more before being tapped and served, you’ll find that they are actually quite decent after the diacetyl has been reabsorbed!
North End do a very good IPL as well.
Err add outlaw from Bone face to that list, stunning Hop forward example.
Kieran and the team at North End make a very tasty IPL as well.
where did homebrew winners murray mcculloch and steven Bellwood come from?
I believe Murray is based in Dunedin and Steven is in Lower Hutt.
Can kids get in for Free ?
Are you able to refrigerate the spent to use the next day after your brew day?
I would think so, as long as you let it come back to room temperature before adding to the other dry ingredients.
Let us know if you have tried this and how it went!
We’ve made these crackers from fresh, refridgerated and frozen mash.
I drain it really well and the crackers have always turned out great.
If freezing, remember to allow time for it to defrost
I’d like to play around with flavourings too, I like the suggestion of yeast
Todays batch got split, a light dusting of paprika on some and ground pepper on the other.
Not a lot if that flavour came through.
I have frozen it for over a week, and defrosted it the night before I wanted to make crackers. Also stores fine in the fridge.
Hi there, i haven’t brewed before and hasn’t worked or seen someone brewing in real, so which course should i do and also is there any courses available in
New Zealand this year. I am from Auckland.
I don’t think they are doing any courses in NZ this year. I’d recommend going into your local homebrew shop and asking where to get started, and checking out some online tutorials from places like Northern Brewer.
These are delicious and easy to make. The recipe is easy to scale up 2 or 3 times.
Hi Folks, FYI – Bays Brewery, Nelson, New Zealand has stopped brewing and is selling the brewery. List of gear on Trademe.
We’ve frozen grain and then let it thaw out inthe fridge overnight and that’s worked well.
Now we’re rolling them thicker and baking longer and that’s good.
I played round with adding some flavourings, cracked pepper and parika but was underwhelmed
Favourite so far are from a darker mash
I own a liquor outlet, off-premise liscense and have been home brewing for some time, do you know the legality of selling the stuff if I wanted to produce and sell out of my shop?
You’ll want to check out the Sale and Supply of Alcohol Act for full details here: https://www.alcohol.org.nz/management-laws/nz-alcohol-laws/sale-and-supply-of-alcohol-act-2012
when is the 2019 SOBA awards? I am an advocate of NZ beers ever since and really loved your content for years now. Hopefully, we can all share our knowlege about how to classify and improve beers in the future.
Hi,if lion red is 99% sugar free what is used to replace the sugar?
I enjoy tasting different varieties of craft beers
Good to hear James, us too!
Did the payment deadline for entries for the NHC on the website change? I was sure it said pay by 15 November when I entered, now it says 10 November (so I am not going to pay or send my entries).
Hi Dave, apologies for the confusion but registration was closed on the 10th and entries must be received and paid for by Friday 15 November. If you now need an extra day we can accept the delivery on Monday.
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